Can't find the Queen?
Sometimes you just can't find the queen.
It's funny how much harder it seems to be when you
really need to ... Or do you?
Eliminating the need to find the queen
Great emphasis is placed in my area on finding queens.
In fact there are two kinds of beekeepers, those who can
find queens at the drop of a hat (or a veil!), and those
who like myself have a major problem in finding her.
I am now of the opinion that I will never be in the
league of the expert queen finders, and I must use
different procedures to attempt to achieve the same end.
With my track record, I cannot live with procedures which
depend on finding the queen. I have trawled through as
much documentation as I can, to find stratagems to carry
out beekeeping without ever seeing a queen, and I show
below how I am using some of these approaches. I would be
most grateful for comments and improvements, as I have
only recently started using them.
I use what may be termed a `Queen Isolator'. It
consists of a Brood Chamber to which a queen excluder in
pristine condition is nailed on the underside. The queen
excluder must be in tip top condition since I am totally
depending on it to exclude the queen. A cloth is placed
to the top of the `Queen Isolator' to protect the brood
from chilling.
- IMHO I never need to see the queen among thousands
of bees. During normal manipulations I need to see
evidence of her existence in the form of eggs or
larvae. (And if I cannot see eggs, I come back in four
days and I should see larvae).
- I must however be certain of where the queen is
NOT. during swarm control, creating nucs, and
requeening a hive. To generate a `box' of bees and
brood without the queen, I remove one by one from the
hive, the frames in which I am interested, and gently
brush off ALL of the bees back into the hive. I do not
shake, especially if the frame contains a queen cell in
which I am interested. I then place the frames as they
are cleared of bees, into the `Queen Isolator' and
cover them with the cloth. Having processed all of the
frames in which I am interested, I place the `Queen
Isolator' on a strong hive. Bees, without the queen,
will move up through the queen excluder to cover the
frames. It normally takes about a half an hour
(depending on temperature), to get a good covering of
bees on the frames. Other hives can then be examined
while the `Queen Isolator' is being loaded with bees,
and any frames from other hives in which I am
interested e.g. those with queen cells, can be added to
the `Queen Isolator' as required, where for example I
am building mating nucs. I have used the above
procedure during this season, and it seems to work. The
contents of the `Queen Isolator' can then be used to
create an artificial swarm or a series of nucs etc.
because we know that it does not contain a queen.
- Although I have not yet tried it, I am going to use
this procedure to eliminate the queen when a colony is
to be requeened. (I have such a colony coming up for
this procedure shortly). I am going to use the
procedure outlined in 2 above until all but the queen
and the drones have moved into the `Queen Isolator',
and the queen, then in the hive box should be easily
identified among the drones. In fact can the old brood
chamber be just tossed out on to the grass some
distance away, allowing the drones to fly and the queen
to be lost?. The `Queen Isolator' now contains the bees
and brood from the entire hive, but without the queen.
I do not know how long it will take to isolate the
queen and the drones in this case, but I am looking
forward to trying it.
- A variation on 3 above appeared in the American Bee
Journal which effectively works in reverse. Under this
system, the queen and drones end up in the `Queen
Isolator'. This approach has the advantage that the
process can be speeded up by using smoke, since the
bees are being driven down from the `Queen Isolator'
into a spare brood chamber. I am going to try this
also.
Using the above procedures IMHO, a beekeeper never has
to be worried about finding the queen. Just use the
`Queen Isolator' and any problem involving the queen can
be solved.
One thing that does strike me is, that the system
depends on the assumption that a queen can never pass
through a queen excluder. I would imagine that this
proposition is not completely true, as queens with
abnormally small thoraxes must sometimes occur. This
means that the system is not 100% dependable but I would
guess that it will succeed far more times than it will
fail.
Comments, criticisms and additional information
received as always with gratitude.
Sincerely, Tom Barrett
Foxrock, Dublin, Ireland
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Using a "Queen Isolator" as described by Tom Barrett
would seem to me to be a handy addition to one's set of
choices for tools to use in making splits and being
relatively assured of when the queen is NOT. It uses good
logic and ought to work almost all of the time. I would
wonder about how much of the time the queen that is
dumped out somewhere else with the drones might make it
back into the hive. Theoretically, if she is in full
laying form, she will have great difficulty flying to
make it back, but bees often surprise us and do things we
think they cannot do. Still, odds are that it will
work.
The second thought I had was that (and this is
probably assumed and implicit in what Tom was describing)
virgin queens have to be able to get out and back into
the hive for mating and returning to lay. That's why if a
hive supersedes with a pollen collector on the entrance,
it can become queenless. If there is a queen excluder on
the bottom and no top entrance, you'd have the same
problem. Therefore I assume that as soon as you've
isolated the frames and bees from which to make the split
that you move them into a normal hive body with no
excluder in place so the new queen can normally mate and
return.
Other than that, I don't see why everything Tom has
described shouldn't work fine. I, on the other hand,
personally receive a great sense of accomplishment when I
find a queen, and wouldn't want to deprive myself of that
feeling and pleasure in concluding a successful hunt with
its attendant thrill. That way I also have a winder range
of options open to me. It's part of the satisfaction I
receive from beekeeping. As a matter of fact, I got a
great sense of satisfaction the other day from finding a
laying worker in one of my hives and dispatching her. Her
size was not so much different from the other workers,
and her body form was only slightly queen-like, but her
behavior was quite different from the other bees, and
their behavior towards her was different than toward each
other. I was therefore "sure" I had found her. I
recommend this experience as a very good one to anyone
who hasn't had it yet.
Layne Westover
College Station, Texas
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Ernest Huber describes an interesting method for
handling the re-queening of an aggressive colony in a
location surrounded by neighbours.
He has effectively `bled' off the aggressors and at
the same time got them to accept the new queen by placing
the nucleus on the stand of the old hive. This seems like
an excellent idea.
If he now uses the Queen Isolator on the moved hive
will not the queen be trapped below the Isolator and be
easily dispatched without having to be found in the
traditional way?. I suppose the question of brushing off
or shaking the bees in a suburban location may possibly
cause alarm due to the number of flying bees, but at
least we are now dealing with the less aggressive bees. I
have recently begun using water instead of smoke to calm
the bees during manipulations, and the next time I use
the Queen Isolator, I am going to spray the bees slightly
(rather like the procedure for getting bees for an
Apidea), before I brush them into the hive, as I believe
that this will significantly reduce the number of flying
bees.
I will try Ernest's suggestion of using the nucleus,
and I will post an account of what happens.
Tom Barrett
There has been lots written recently regarding finding
queens. Another slick method, add a queen excluder, wait
5-6 days, the queen is where the eggs are, at least this
way you can reduce the amount of frames to examine by
50%.
Then use the take away method, where that box is
removed some distance from the hive allowing mature bees
to return to the main hive. I would think it should be
relatively easy.
Another method. Buy from us a small phial, marked
`experience', not overly expensive, but vital when
dealing with bees.
David Eyre,
The Bee Works,
Ontario, Canada
http://www.beeworks.com
On 6/17/99 Tom Barrett wrote about using what he
called a Queen Isolator to avoid having to find the
queen. Unfortunately there are times when one MUST find
the queen. For us hobbyist beekeepers one of these times
comes at the worst time-ie when the hive population is
really huge (like two or three layers deep on the frames)
and also when the hive is very aggressive (like they fly
up at your face as soon as you barely crack the inner
cover). If such a hive is very productive and has
over-wintered well AND if it is remote from humans then
normally one might tend to leave it be, or at worst one
could carry out anti-swarm procedures by shaking frames
or brushing frames in order to carry out a Demaree. A
backyard hobby beekeeper however needs to do something
about such a hive in a more benign, less disruptive way
in order to reclaim his backyard and to keep his
neighbors from complaining. The standard advice in this
case is to requeen, which means you MUST find the old
queen.
I have tried just about every method that has ever
been described in print-and some that aren't in print to
find the queen in this type of situation. I have tried
the upside-down version of the Queen Isolator that Tom
alludes to, as described in the ABJ. It didn't work
because, a) these particular bees' response to smoke was
to move UP and not DOWN through the excluder and,b)
because this particular queen, I am convinced, could fly
(and did).
About the only method that I have consistently had
success with under the above described situation is to
MOVE THE HIVE a short distance and then leave behind a
nucleus colony to recapture the foragers from the moved
colony. Then, about a day or two or three later-after the
mean old foragers have gone back to the old hive stand-
the moved colony can EASILY be gone through for queen
finding. The bees are no longer two or three deep on the
frames. They no longer erupt in a cloud when you crack
the inner cover and they no longer dive-bomb your face in
a ferocious attack. The left-behind nucleus colony then
contains the new queen for reconstructing the old colony
on the original spot.
I would appreciate it if some of you other BEE-L
members would comment on my method, but it is the only
method that I have found to be a reasonable one for
aggressive hives in a close-to-the-neighbors type of
situation.
Sincerely, Ernie Huber
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This simple method will work almost as well. I have an
old picnic table that I keep behind my backyard
colonies... about 20-25 feet behind them in fact. Unstack
the supers to one side of the colony, break the brood
nest from the bottom board, and carry the brood box back
to the table. Place the supers back on the bottom board.
Place an extra unused brood box three feet down the table
. Now extract the frames in order, examine for the queen,
and let the guards all ornery workers fly! They
immediately go back over to the hive site and enter the
supers, ready to defend them. As observed in the response
post, most all but the young bees and queen return. If
you fail to find the queen in one time through, relook as
you return the frames to their proper box... At that
point there are many fewer bees and almost no meanies,
and there should be no problem finding the queen.
I have one other suggestion for Tom, who says he just
doesn't have the ability to find the queen. Try this.
Build a four frame, stand size Nuc containing all those
ingredients for making an emergency queen... eggs, day
old larvae or a grafted Jzz..Bzz cell, pollen, and honey-
feed syrup. Watch these cells develop, carefully
observing what happens and when. They should cap at 4.5-5
days, and hatch on day 10.5-12. Out on the 11th day start
looking in the nuc at least daily, or even more... this
doesn't have to be a true SWARM BOX. you want a good
queen, but a great one is not necessary. But go into this
nuc as often as you can... You may not even need smoke;
virgin queens tend to be `runny' or nervous, but grow
rapidly especially after they mate, but are usually quite
easy to find, even just hatched virgins, with few bees
and none mean. Your problem, Tom, is that you have not
been to successful finding the queen, and I recall when I
first became a beekeeper, my confidence level was not
great either, and this little trick taught me how to find
queens. I do add however, I hope you are using
Italians... these big yellow to Orange babes are
eyecatching! Caucasians and other dark bees with coal
black queens are never as easy to spot... when I have had
these, I just MARK 'EM... with a white liquid paper dot!
You can't beat this with a stick! And good luck!
Robert Barnett
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The method described by Ernie was recommended to me as
a new beekeeper faced with an aggressive colony by a
local queen breeder. I also recommend it for all small
scale beekeepers or those who have their hives close at
hand so traveling time is not a consideration.
This method avoids all confrontation and works within
the instinctive behaviour pattern to make life easier for
the beekeeper and still achieve the desired
manipulation.
It is not necessary to move the hive far. I simply
turn the aggressive hive at 90 degrees and place the new
hive box in the front. I do not introduce a queen to the
front hive. It may help the bees settle if a frame of
sealed brood is placed in the front. After a few days,
all foragers will have returned to the front hive and the
original hive can be searched with minimum smoke since it
will then be populated mainly by the queen, drones and
nurse bees. After culling the queen (with great
satisfaction), the hive can be united and a new queen
introduced. Since the front box has not been exposed to a
competing queen, they will accept an introduced queen
with alacrity.
One hint for locating hard-to-spot queens. If queen is
in bottom brood box (I use queen excluders), smoke
entrance lightly and wait 1 minute. Open hive and remove
any supers. Remove outside frame, examine for queen and
lean against front. Do the same for other outside frame.
Now, leaving a space between frames and the hive side,
lift one frame at a time working from one side to the
other, looking ONLY for the queen (no distractions, no
admiring of brood pattern, no egg inspection). 30 seconds
a frame is usually enough. Smoke the entrance if bees
start to run about on the frame but not the top of the
frames. If the queen still eludes you, repeat the frame
inspection. It is very rarely that I cannot find the
queen within 3 minutes using this method.
With practice, the queen can be located by identifying
where the majority of bees are. As the queen moves across
the frame, workers will turn their heads towards her
leaving a small space around her and this pattern is easy
to detect. As long as the hive has not been alarmed, the
queen will be going about her duties.
By continually selecting lines for docility and
productivity and culling aggressive hives (measuring the
level of aggression against the other hives in the apiary
on that day) I rarely encounter the aggressive behaviour
of my early hives.
Because of traveling time to apiary sites, I now use
the Queen Isolator described by Tom. The queens to be
culled are known before I arrive in the apiary and I take
extra care to pause after smoking and to move very, very
slowly in removing frames. I carry the queens in
introduction cages to the apiary and plan on requeening
10 - 12 hives in one day, as well as working 30 + hives
for honey.
Betty McAdam
Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island, Australia
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Requeening Without Looking for the Queen
Nick Wallingford
A description of requeening a hive
without having to look for the old queen. Variation of an
article that originally appeared in the Beginners Notes
column of the NZ Beekeeper No. 192, Summer 1986, pp
20-22.
One of the big stumbling blocks for many beginner
beekeepers is that problem of how do you actually get the
queen into the hive. The fundamentals -- the colony
should be queenless, it should be well fed and it should
have young bees emerging.
How do you actually go about doing it? Most books tell
you simply to find the old queen, kill her, and introduce
your young queen in the mailing cage she came in. Fine,
you think. Until you go out to look through your (strong)
(aggressive) (agitated) colony for the queen. And knowing
that you have your valuable, newly-arrived queen sitting
in the house just waiting to be installed!
So this message will be mostly devoted to giving you a
method of introducing new queens to your hives without
ever having to look for the old queen. And like any such
system, it is not foolproof. It works for me and for many
other beekeepers, but if it doesn't for you, first make
sure you are following directions. Then consider special
problems you might have, especially as they relate to the
`golden rules' of queenless, well-fed, with plenty of
young bees.
The system I will describe is not new, and it was not
my idea. It's a combination of all sorts of ideas. Its
the sort of management technique that develops when you
have a fair idea of what you want to do, but you're not
sure how. Then, rather than just making up your system,
you sit back and think about bee behaviour and try to
work effectively within the bounds of the ways bees will
usually respond to certain stimuli.
The object of the system is to create a nucleus colony
on top of the old colony. I wanted a system that could be
easily used by hobbyist or commercial beekeeper alike,
without ever looking for the queen. It should be
versatile, both in being able to deal with colonies of
differing strengths and with end results. That is, the
resulting nucleus, or top, can be used to re-queen with
or to start a new colony. The method should use a minimum
of extra equipment, and no exotic or complicated gadgets
(much as I like them...)
They are based around beekeeping systems that use two
full depth brood chambers for most of the year. The
system introduces a third box, which is of the same depth
as the brood chamber boxes. After all is complete, you'll
want to work this extra box `out', especially if you (1)
use different depth boxes for storing/extracting surplus
and/or (2) you are particular about using white comb only
(never used for brood rearing) as honey supers.
The only `extra' piece of equipment needed is a split
board, also known as a division board. To those of you
who may not know what that is, it is simply a hive mat
(inner cover) that has had a notch cut out of the rim on
one side so as to form an entrance for a colony set above
it. The notch can be anywhere from 20 to 100 mm wide; I
prefer to have mine about 50 mm, making it large enough
for a fairly strong unit but still small enough that the
bees can protect it while the colony is still small.
I have modified the inner covers on all of my hives in
this manner. Just to try something new this last autumn,
I turned them over on my hives in an effort to give some
sort of upper ventilation. I'm not really sure how much
good it did.
You will also need a queen excluder. As I have one of
these for each hive as a matter of course, that is no
problem. One last piece of equipment needed will be
another box of drawn comb.
Now, after all that prelude, let's see how the system
works. For the sake of beginning, let us assume that it
is springtime and your colony is housed in two boxes and
you want to simply re-queen it. As you'll see later, you
have other options, but let's start from this basic
case.
When you open your hive, you'll find most of the brood
and bees in the upper box. Remove three frames of brood,
both sealed and unsealed, from the centre of the brood
nest. Take a glance over them first to see if you can
spot the queen. Now that you're starting on a method that
means you don't have to find her, its amazing how often
you will! Then shake all of the bees off of them, back
into the colony.
You needn't shake off every last one of them, so long
as you are sure that the queen is not one of the bees
remaining. Now, place these three frames into the middle
of the box of combs you have brought with you.
If there are plenty of stores in the parent colony,
take two good frames of honey, shake the bees from them,
and place them in the new box with the three frames of
brood. If there is not much honey in the hive, you will
have to feed either the parent hive, the nucleus, or in
the worst case, both.
Now, you can start to re-build the hive. Replace all
the frames you have taken from the parent colony with
empty combs, doing your best not to split the brood nest
if possible. On top of this second box, place the queen
excluder. On top of the excluder, place the new box
containing the brood and honey that has had the bees
shaken from them.
Put the lid on the hive and go away. Think about what
you have just done. You have lifted brood and bees above
the excluder. What is going to happen to the brood up
there? The pheromones it gives off will attract nurse
bees that are down in the main hive up to it. Combining
that with the frames of honey, the third box that you
have added has quite a `pull' to bring bees up into it.
But remember, there is a queen excluder between the
boxes, so there is no way the old queen can come up
there.
After about 20 minutes, if you go back to the hive and
lift the lid, you will find that enough bees have come up
into the nucleus to take care of the brood, defend the
colony and take care of your new queen.
All you have to do now is replace the queen excluder
with the division board and presto! You have your nucleus
colony ready for introducing the young queen. It is
queenless (because the queen couldn't come up through the
excluder). It has plenty of young bees (because they have
come up to take care of the brood you lifted). And it has
plenty of food (because you provided them with two frames
of honey). All the conditions have been met for ideal
queen introduction. You can expect that some of the bees
will drift back to the main colony, but the young bees
taking care of the brood will most likely remain - the
new unit shouldn't drop in bee strength too
drastically.
This system could be used on a larger number of hives.
By the time the beekeeper has worked through the yard,
shaking bees from brood and honey to lift into the new
box, the first hive would have been left long enough for
the bees to come up.
Introduce your young queen into the top and wait a
week. Don't disturb them in this time if at all possible;
until the new queen is established and laying fully, the
bees haven't really fully accepted her. Disturb them
during this period and it is possible for them to turn on
her.
After a week, you will have a parent colony on the
bottom, only slightly reduced in strength by the bees,
brood and honey you took. And you will have a nucleus
colony headed by a young queen above the split board, all
set for your next decision.
You can either use it to re-queen the parent colony,
or you could place it on its own floor to use for
increasing your colony numbers. If you choose the second
option, it would be best if you actually moved it several
miles away to avoid the loss of field strength through
drifting.
If you want to re-queen the parent colony, you could
now go through it, looking for the old queen, preparing
to unite the two colonies by replacing the split board
with a sheet of newspaper for them to chew their way
through. But that would defeat the whole point, wouldn't
it? We're supposed to be doing this without ever looking
for a queen, aren't we?
If you can go through and find the old queen, aided by
any tricks/knacks you might have to quickly locate
queens, so much the better. You're certain of results
then.
But, believe it or not, you have the odds of success
heavily in your favour if you simply newspaper the two
units together without looking for the old queen at all.
In almost 90% of the cases, if you unite two colonies
with the young queen on the top of an old queen, the
young queen will be left to head the resulting hive.
Why this happens is open to argument. Some beekeepers
will tell you that the bees always select the best of the
two queens. I doubt that. My explanation goes along the
lines of the young queen's bees are confined in the top
box when you replace the split board with newspaper. As
well, her field bees returning cannot use their normal
entrance, the slot on the split board. They then drift
down to the main colony entrance. As they are foragers
returning with a load, they will be accepted without
causing outrageous fighting at the hive entrance. I think
the old queen is then probably killed by the `scissor'
effect of bees foreign to her coming at her from both
directions - down as the bees confined above the
newspaper chew through and move down in the hive, and up
by the foragers from the top unit coming in through the
bottom entrance and finding a `strange' queen in `their'
hive.
It has certainly worked for me, and if the thought of
trying to find queens is an impossible one for you, the
system might be worth considering. You might just want to
experiment with it to see if the time savings will repay
the small amount of uncertainty involved.
It's not the answer to all of a beekeepers problems,
but it just gives you an idea how by thinking a little
bit about bee behaviour, you can sort out your management
system to make your life a little easier while doing all
you can in the interests of maximum production. Send
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Nick Wallingford
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