Apiary Update
Dave Purchase,
Apiary Manager and Seasonal Bee Inspector
You will recall that in my last report I described how
Association Colony No. 1 at St. John's Copse appeared to
be queenless for the second time this year. A final
inspection at the end of September confirmed my
suspicions.
What to do? Clearly it was far too late to raise a new
queen. It might have been possible to buy a new queen -
what an irony that would have been given that the colony
had been used for queen rearing earlier in the season. I
was reluctant to spend Association money when a failed
introduction (there is always a risk) would have been
more difficult to rectify so late on.
In the event, I decided to unite it with Colony No. 2
which itself had been queenless earlier in the season and
was not quite as strong as I would have liked. Now we
have a single, but strong and well provisioned, colony
which hopefully will overwinter well.
Another sad tale. For the second time in as many
years, the Association colony at Breach Farm was robbed
of its modest honey crop by wasps finding a way into the
super after the clearer board had been fitted. There was
no obvious point of entry. The super was old (a Modified
Dadant) but had been examined before use in the light of
the previous incident when a joint had sprung.
Attendances at some of last year's apiary meetings
were very poor. On the plus side, the queen rearing
proved, once again, to be very popular.
In recent years limited manpower and, to a lesser
extent, equipment have been spread rather too thinly in
pursuit of several goals (i.e., honey production, Queen
rearing, education and training). In future, priority
will be given to education and training, leading
hopefully to a beginners' course utulising the new Study
Centre as well as Association colonies.
A straw poll has suggested that Saturday afternoon is
still the most popular time for an apiary meeting.
Therefore, this year's meetings will be held in St.
John's Copse at 2.30 pm on the first Saturday of each
month, starting 1st April. If the weather is doubtful, by
all means check with me beforehand on 781288.
Please check your colonies for signs of American and
European Foulbrood when carrying out you spring
inspections. Don't hesitate to call me if you see
anything that worries you.
To reduce the risk of disease, clean or replace floors
and brood boxes and replace at least one third
(preferably all) of the old brood comb.
Happy beekeeping!
Dave Purchase
Visit Stoneleigh
Sunday 16th January
We are organising a coach to take us to Stoneleigh
this year.
The coach will leave from Down Grange front car park
at 7am, leaving Stoneleigh for the return journey at
5pm.
Coach travel is free for members and their families
and admission for the show is £ 6 in advance or £ 8 on
the door.
Non-members will be charged £ 5 for the coach and £ 6
in advance for admission, i.e. £ 11 in total.
All monies to be paid to Christine MacKinnon by the
end of March, please.
The Officers of the Association for the current year
are as follows:
- President: Charles Oliver-Bellasis
- Chairman: Chris Mounty/Peter MacKinnon
- Secretary: Christine MacKinnon
- Treasurer: Norman Hughes
- Apiary Manager: David Purchase
- Other: Peter MacKinnon
- Other: Tony Burton
- Other: June Hughes
- Spray Liaison: June Hughes
- Delegate: Norman Hughes
- Delegate: John Furzey
Membership remains unchanged
Honeyshow Trophies
- Mid Southern Counties Cup
- for classes 1 to 6; Ron Brown
- Hector Albery Shield
- for classes 7 to 9; June Hughes.
- Munroe Kerr Cup
- for classes 12 to 15; Sue Scott
- Honey for Sale Vase
- Norman and June Hughes
- Best in Show
- Ron Brown for his soft set honey.
Library
A while back we set up a beekeeping library as a
memorial to the late Garth Lewis.
Unfortunately that library became dispersed and I
would very much like to collect it together again to
restore both that tribute to an old friend and a useful
Association resource.
If you have any of the books from the original
library, any further books or other media that you would
like to loan or donate to the library, or if you are
prepared to be the librarian, please contact me.
Thanks,
Gordon Scott
New Comb, New Queen 1
by Gordon Scott
As I indicated in last the issue, I've been
considering how the timing of Beulah Cullen's new
year, new comb philosophy and Bill Dartnall's
Early Queens technique might fit together,
Beulah advocates moving colonies to new comb every
year by giving them new foundation and a modest feed of
light (1:1) syrup around mid-March.
Not long after that, Bill begins his early queens
method when the first of the drones appear in early
April, raising new queens for the current season. And
that process also results in the creation of new
comb.
Sitting down with pencil and paper suggests that my
ideal timings where the new combs colonies
become the mating colonies seems too dangerous. To do
this, I think one would either have to start queen
rearing very early, or start the new comb
procedure late. My experiences with the latter suggest
that one risks triggering swarming behaviour by upsetting
the balance just as they're thinking about it
themselves.
A better strategy might be to mate the queens first
and introduce them a little later. That's a shame because
it adds further delays, but I can't yet see a better
alternative.
I shall presume then that we start the new
comb procedure in mid March as normal. That means
that the queens go into the top box towards the end of
March.
Bill's queen rearing depends upon the availability
of drones!, so cannot safely start until you can see
a few, though we could gamble on an earlier start if we
don't mind failure. Most colonies try to keep a few even
in the winter, just in case. Drones should start
to appear in modest quantity in early April, building
rapidly ready for swarming (it's what they do).
Let's run through some dates, using 2000 as a
pragmatic example.
If we split the new comb colonies on the 18th
and move the queens up into the top box on 25th, the last
bottom-box workers should emerge on the 15th April, give
or take a little. Drones would be a couple of days later.
By that time, the queen should have laid up much of the
top brood box and most of the colony will be with
her.
Now if you started queen rearing around the
first of April and if you have drones around, you
might well try replacing the queen in a new comb
colony with a queen cell, but it's definitely a risk. If
she fails to mate you have to get a good queen from
somewhere. Of course if you kept the old queen in a
split, you can probably just back-track a bit, but at
that time of year, you may not have had enough bees.
Making splits that early might also be a risk unless
your colonies are already quite strong.
So I think it's probably better to mate your new
queens separately and replace them in the usual way,
probably around the end of April.
New Comb, New Queen 2
by Gordon Scott
A method of swarm control that's popular with many
American bee farmers is to make Spring splits. There are
several ways of doing this, but I'll concentrate around a
couple.
Firstly I should explain what I mean by making a
split. This is simply the process of dividing a colony
into two or more smaller colonies. It can be used as a
swarm control technique, or as a means of making increase
(getting more colonies).
One method involves dividing a colony into two halves
during swarm preparations, when you keep one good queen
cell per half and knock down all the others. Put the two
halves each into their own hive and make up to size with
new comb or foundation. If you began your season building
new comb the Beulah way, you'll have nice new drawn comb
for this bit.
Another method involves dividing a colony into two
halves before swarm preparations, in which case either
you rely on the queenless half raising an emergency
queen, or you introduce a queen or cell from your queen
rearing. Emergency queens can be poor and if you choose
this method, it often pays to revisit the colony five or
six days later and knock down the first few emergency
cells that are capped. This helps to avoid under fed
queens. As with Bill Dartnall's early queen rearing
method, don't try and raise queens until you have some
drones. Once again, use that new comb.
A third method involves dividing a colony into many
parts during swarm preparations. This involves at least
(and typically) four new colonies and in this case, the
hives for the new colonies are set up in a circle around
the donor colony, entrances facing towards the
centre.
In this case you keep one good queen cell per new
colony, each cell on its own frame, and knock down all
the others. Gently shake most of the bees into the centre
of the circle so you can more easily see the queen cells.
Then place the cell frame in the centre of a new colony
box and sandwich it between combs from the donor colony.
If you make more than four new colonies, you'll have to
use just two combs per colony. Fill the remainder of the
space in each new colony with new comb or foundation and
empty any remaining bees into the center of the circle.
By using four or more new colonies, the bees tend to
share themselves out fairly evenly between the new
colonies. Any fewer and they tend to favour just one new
box.
Each of these methods creates a nucleus
colony, a small colony that will build up over the year,
but is unlikely to get a good honey crop unless you feed
them to build them quickly. However, once your new queens
are mated, you can requeen your unsplit colonies, either
using a queen cage, or by uniting them. If you correctly
planned the number of frames of foundation when you made
the nuclei, this is your opportunity to remove the last
of your old comb.
GM Pollen and Honey
The following letter has been received from MAFF
I am writing to let you know that the article in the
Daily Mail of 22 October 1999, concerning the
labeling of honey which may contain small amounts of GM
material, was inaccurate in a number of significant
respects. The position at present is described below.
As you may be aware, all GM crops intended for
deliberate release in this country and in the rest of the
European Community, have to be thoroughly assessed for
human and environmental safety before they are allowed to
be planted. This assessment includes safety implications
of any exposure to pollen through ingestion or inhalation
from the air, or as a result of its landing on other
crops. There should not therefore, be any safety concerns
arising from the possible inclusion of any very small
amounts of pollen in honey.
As far as labeling is concerned, the EC Commission has
stated that honey unintentionally containing pollen as a
result of bees feeding on GM crops does not constitute a
novel food within the meaning of the Novel Food and Novel
Food Ingredients Regulations (258/97). If honey is not
considered to be a novel food, then the labeling
requirements in these regulations do not apply.
The only other labeling regulations for GM materials
in foods in existence at the present time are those
relating to Monsanto's GM soya and Novartis' GM maize
(1139/98). As neither of these crops is being grown in
this country, honey produced here would not need to be
labeled. Furthermore, an EC Commission regulation was
agreed in Brussels on 21 October that will set a
threshold for adventitious contamination of non-GM food
ingredients by GM soya or maize, below which the labeling
will not be required, of 1%. This is many times greater
than the maximum level of transgenic pollen likely to be
present in honey as a result of bees feeding on
transgenic crops.
Dr. J. R. Bell, Head of the Additives and Novel
Foods Division, MAFF.
Study Centre
Our First Meeting At Our Study Centre
The 10th February saw a new beginning, our very first
meeting in our study centre. We invited Dr Beulah Cullen,
our Regional Bee Disease Inspector, to come and talk to
us about Microscopy, and what a great evening we had,
there were seven of us in total, and after Beulah had
explained the fundamentals of the microscopes, we set to
work, using the Association's dissecting microscopes, we
all had a go at dissecting some bees to see if we could
find acarine, fortunately we didn't as they were Beulah's
bees. We then had a general look at bees' wings, legs,
pollen baskets and not forgetting the varroa mites,
Chrissie MacKinnon and I enjoyed looking at the flower
petals and stamens, the flowers really came alive seeing
them for the first time in 3D.
Beulah also brought her compound microscope along with
some slides showing nosema. Norman and I took some of our
slides along showing a worker bee's ovaries and
sting.
We all had a very enjoyable evening, and all are
looking forward to the next one, why not join us next
time?
David Purchase and Norman travelled to Chippenham on
Friday to buy the Association's own Compound microscope,
together with a kit on making mounts of honey bee worker
parts, so watch this space for dates.
June
A Dying hive
(from March 1999)
Alan Pagliere email@omitted.anti.spam
I am a hobbyist. One hive last year. Planning two this
year.
I took advantage of the weather yesterday to peek
inside my one hive. The colony that seemed very, very
strong during a warmish day last month is pretty much
dead. There was a lot of water, condensation. There were
lots of stores, they had taken some of the honey, but not
that much.
My theory at the moment, barring any diseases, of
which there doesn't seem to be any evidence (question on
this later), is that I left too much space on the hive
for them to keep warm and ventilate.
I saw no cluster of bees as such. Just a few up in the
honey stores eating, many dead ones here and there and a
few small groups of live bees here and there. I don't
believe there was a queen or any live brood.
So, I think the colony is dead. I thought I would ask
here and see what people think. I believe I left too much
space for them to keep warm and ventilate. I wanted to
give them lots of stores, but I think I overdid it and
just wound up freezing the poor girls. Very sad. And if
that is indeed what I did wrong, it won't happen again.
What say ye? Is that likely what my problem was?
I did see what seemed to be water in some of the
cells. I assume that if water condenses in the hive, it
can condense and gather in cells as well as anywhere
else. Is that right?
I did see a few cells, not many, with what used to be
brood. Sitting in what seemed to be water in the cells
was something that looked like small white bits. Almost
like grits or couscous, for lack of a better description.
Were these just semi-dissolved larvæ? I am trying to
determine if what I saw is a sign of some disease.
I'm only slightly worried that the imminent death of
the colony is due to some disease. I did do the Apistan
thing last fall, and, looking at some books, I didn't see
(or smell) what I might consider symptoms of the usual
foulbroods. If there was a disease, I assume I should
worry about re-using the comb or frames, etc.
I've already ordered a queen and a package for what
was going to be my second hive. I guess I'll just order
another set and start two from scratch (but with some
drawn and used comb...?).
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Alan Pagliere; Ann Arbor, MI
Lloyd Spear email@omitted.anti.spam
Alan asks about his hive that appeared very strong a
month ago, and is now virtually dead. He suspects he left
too much room for them to heat.
Alan, if you think about it I think you will agree
that a month ago, when the hive was strong, you had all
ready been through the worst part of your winter in Ann
Arbor. The bees survived those temperatures just fine,
and the amount of space in the hive had no effect on
their ability to keep warm!
By suspending thermometers inside wintering hives,
studies have shown that the bees only keep their cluster
warm; they do not attempt to keep the total hive space
warm. Therefore you giving them a lot of honey and room
did not have an adverse effect.
Based on your description, the bees almost certainly
died of excess moisture inside the hives. Now, "moisture"
does not hurt. However, the moisture permits growth of
other ugly things, principally bacteria and molds, and
these kill bees! The moisture is caused because the bees
eat all winter long, and use the food to "shiver",
creating heat, which warms the cluster. This same heat
causes condensation. As a beekeeper one must allow this
moist heat to escape the hive. Dry cold does not hurt
bees, condensation kills them!
There are many many ways of allowing the moist air to
escape the over wintering hive. I will list some of them
and make some comments:
- Drill a 1" auger hole above the hand hold on the
top hive body. This is what I do. The disadvantages are
that you are putting a hole in your new wood and as you
move equipment around the hole may be where you don't
want it.
- Prop up the outer cover about 1/8" (3mm) with
stones, a piece of wood, etc. This works fine, but you
have to be certain that by doing this the cover does
not blow off during the winter.
- Cut a gap about 1/4" (6mm) high and 1" (25mm) wide
in the outside of the inner cover. This works fine, but
if you don't do it to every inner cover you will
someday kill a hive because they did not have
ventilation and you thought they did.
- Put a 3/8"-1/2" (10..12mm) piece of fiber board
underneath the inner cover. This will absorb moisture
and it will wick to the outside air. I know a very
successful commercial beekeeper who does this with
2,000 hives. The only disadvantage is that the fiber
board is another piece of equipment.
You did not mention whether you treated for tracheal
mites by using grease patties. If you did not, your bees
might have been weakened by these mites, but the amount
of moisture you described is almost certainly what killed
them.
Lloyd; http://www.rossrounds.com
David Green email@omitted.anti.spam
A post mortem is extremely important, both to protect
yourself from future disease, and to learn the cause of
death, so you can avoid future losses.
Did the colony have a ventilation hole near the top?
Your condensation could indicate a ventilation problem.
This is extremely important in cold areas of the US. A
strong hive will produce a lot of moisture in the
metabolism of honey, and this often freezes on the bottom
of the cover, then thaws and drops back on the bees.
When you have a good cluster, most with their heads in
the cells, you have starvation. This can happen with a
small cluster and a long cold spell, where bees got
separated from their honey. They can move up to honey in
cold, but not sideways.
You indicate no general cluster, so I would discount
starvation. Another clue is the scattered bees you
mention. We saw a lot of hive losses during the tracheal
mite era, in which the bees abandoned the cluster and
could be found in scattered groups throughout the hive. I
believe US stocks are gradually becoming more resistant
to tracheal mites, and consider tracheal mite treatments
to be a negative, in that development of resistance is
delayed. I prefer not to buy queens from breeders who
treat for tracheal mites. Hawaiian queens have never had
the weak stuff sorted out at all, and are extremely
susceptible. (Sorry to you Hawaiian breeders, but it is a
fact). So TM may be a possibility.
Too much space over the bees? Do you mean empty comb?
Empty supers should never be left on the bee during cold
weather. But you imply that it was honey stores, in which
case it does not function as a negative heat loser, but
rather a positive heat storage device.
You didn't leave supers on with an excluder? The bees
will move up, and the queen will be left to freeze below
the excluder. (Okay, I admit it, I've done it; a BIG
tuition expense in The University of the Seat of the
Pants!)
The bees can put it there, as well as uncapped honey
they are preparing to use, which would look like
water.
In honey cells the small white bits could be
crystallized honey. But I think you are referring to
actual brood cells, and I am a little puzzled here.
Starving bees will suck the body fluids from brood, but
it will not be in "small white bits." The brood would be
intact, except shriveled, unless the bees recovered and
began to dismember and carry out the pupæ.
Small white particles along the sides of the cells,
could be varroa feces. You indicated treatment, so I
would think not, unless you treated very late, or did not
have the strips in the cluster, or had
fluvalinate-resistant mites.
Larger white lumps, one to a cell, might indicate
chalkbrood, though usually a hive that is susceptible to
chalkbrood will not survive until late in winter. Look
for pictures in Morse's bee disease book, or show the
frame to an experienced beekeeper.
On the pollination home page, under buying used
equipment, is a photo of AFB scale in the comb. The frame
is held upside down for better light, so look at the tops
of the cells in the lower, clearer part of the photo.
If you see scale, do not reuse the frames, as you will
just reinfect more bees. If there is no AFB, no other
cause of death would prevent reuse of the equipment.
There is one other cause of loss that is frequently
not recognized. If your bees took a pesticide hit back
last summer, then appeared to recover in the fall, they
may have stored away poisoned pollen, covered with fresh.
They are extremely vulnerable to this poison during late
winter, when brood rearing commences, and there is no
fresh pollen to dilute the poison effect. You can test
for this by selecting a frame with a lot of pollen from
this deadout, and putting it right next to the brood in a
healthy hive. If you see spotty brood on the adjacent
frame, like you see with a failing queen, in a couple
days, you know the pollen is contaminated, and young
brood is dying and being removed.
It is hard to diagnose from afar. I can only give you
clues. I feel strongly about knowing the cause of death,
and those which I cannot determine to my satisfaction
really bother me. I hope you can figure it out.
If there is no AFB, save the honey from any robber
bees and use it to get your new hive(s) off to a quicker
start.
It is interesting, here in South Carolina, where the
bees probably haven't had 10 days they couldn't fly,
robbers will often not bother an undisturbed deadout,
even if it has quite a bit of honey. But once it is
opened, or moved, watch out!. I had a deadout on the
truck the other day, not remembering that it had some
honey in it. I didn't take the truck in the morning, but
returned to a madhouse of robber bees working on the hive
in my driveway. Good way to terrorize the neighborhood!
Fortunately the neighbors were at work.
Dave Green; http://www.pollinator.com
John Mesinger email@omitted.anti.spam
Bees in nature don't have as many problems as some
beekeepers add. I think too much water suggests just the
opposite of what you speculate happened. Bees keep the
hive warm in winter. To do this they eat stores and
release water vapor. You do need to arrange for somewhere
to let it out. I would suggest you screen the hole in the
inner cover, add an Imrie shim above it, with several
1/2" (12mm) in holes on each side, screened on the inside
to keep other bees and bugs out, and restrict the lower
entrance somewhat. Tilt the hive a few degrees forward.
You should have a dry hive in the future.
Cordially, John F. Mesinger
Alan Pagliere email@omitted.anti.spam
Thanks to all that responded, on and off the list, to
my post about my colony. Among the responses were two
very kind offers to come look at the hive, one from Don
Rahman in Toledo and one from Ted Fischer in Dexter, MI.
I took up Mr. Fischer's offer since he is relatively
speaking just down the road. Here's the diagnosis.
My worry about too much space left on the hive for the
bees to warm was, as seen from many posts, unfounded.
Bees warm their cluster and do not warm the rest of the
hive.
What I was, in my inexperience and ignorance, worried
was some kind of decaying brood was in fact crystallized
honey (I had never seen crystallized honey so white - now
I know better).
The entrance reducer on the bottom had a small
opening, not big enough for a mouse but big enough for
ventilation. The top super had a hole (about 3/4" (18mm))
drilled in the front (the bees always use that as an
alternate entrance). The inner cover had the usual
semicircle cut out on one side (which the bees also use
as an entrance from time to time). I had thought that
would be adequate ventilation, but I suppose not.
Here is the real story. When Mr. Fischer and I opened
up the hive on Saturday, we found more activity, more
population, than I had seen a few days earlier. Not a lot
of bees mind you, but some. He noticed a queen, young,
small, and as I looked at her, I noticed she was not
marked. My original queen had been. There was a small
cluster of brand new eggs nicely laid in an area in the
lower of the two supers.
Here is the theory. The original queen was superseded
very, very late last season. Not late enough to prevent
her from mating however. Since it was too late for her to
start laying, the population dwindled faster than it
might have otherwise. I also think it must have been very
late, because during my last fall visit to the hive, I
noticed no signs of supersedure in the form of cells.
Anyways, now, coming out of the worst of the winter,
the bees are starting up, the queen has started laying.
There was no brood, there were only a few eggs, and
clearly on a couple of days old.
Since there is a queen who has started laying, and
since there seem to be just enough bees to start a colony
(almost as if I had just bought a package), we decided to
remove one of the two deep brood boxes I had (will save
for my new hive since it has lots of pollen and honey),
dump all the bees into the one remaining deep, put on an
excluder and then put the two supers with capped honey on
top of that. I will probably lose the few eggs in the
super comb, but it is a very small loss compared to the
benefit of getting the queen laying back in the brood
area where all the pollen is. Another thing done was to
shim up the back of the bottom board to help tilt the
hive forward and drain moisture.
So. All is not as dire as I had thought. The hive is
weak but not diseased. Small new queen, but laying. seems
well. The cause of my problems were likely not disease,
but just mediocre ventilation and a strange bit of
timing, where the queen was superseded very late in the
season.
So, several lessons learned here for all you other
hobbyist/beginners. Tilt your hive forward, ventilate
better than you think you should, and whenever possible,
get the on-location advice of an experienced beekeeper,
especially one like Mr. Fischer.
Thanks again.
Alan Pagliere; Ann Arbor
Emergency Queens
A Discussion from bee-l on the pros and cons of
emergency queens
Remember when reading this that
commercially produced US queens are lower-cost than ours
and are often as a consequence less reliable. For
example, if you buy a queen from John Furzey, you can be
sure she's mated and laying. In the US, to reduce costs,
the producers pack the queens to time, not necessarily to
laying!
Allen Dick email@omitted.anti.spam
We have discussed emergency queens here from time to
time, and the consensus is that emergency queens can be
inferior to other queens.
The belief is that, when faced with a sudden queen
loss, the bees may choose larvæ that are older than the
optimal age for making queens. These queens then will
have a head start on any younger queens that may be
started and thus emerge first. The result is a partially
intercaste queen that lacks capacity and longevity and
perhaps some of the requisite pheromones.
Having said that, I do know that Charles Mraz had a
system that was entirely dependent on emergency queen
rearing and that I also used one for several years
commercially without any apparent ill effects.
So what I am wondering is this: what is the evidence?
What proof is there that, indeed, the bees do an inferior
job when faced with an emergency situation? It really
does not stand to reason in that the bees have relied on
this mechanism -- along with the two others -- for queen
replacement for eons.
Does anyone have any references or personal experience
that confirms that the results of emergency queen rearing
are indeed inferior?
email@omitted.anti.spam
If they are raised during a flow and plenty of food is
coming in the unmated queen is fat dumb and happy. If the
weather and the availability of drones is favorable you
get good queens.
If any of the three are lacking you get runts and poor
mating and eventual collapse or supersedure.
Michael Palmer email@omitted.anti.spam
Bill Mraz, son of Charlie, still relies on emergency
queens. Never buys any queens. Makes spring nucs, and
lets the bees raise their own. Works well for him. Saw
some brood patterns last summer, and I was impressed.
Mike
Tom Elliott; email@omitted.anti.spam
I have often requeened using an ``emergency'' queen
method, but going back four days after pulling the old
queen, you will find fully capped queen cells. This
suggests that you have older larvæ being put into
service. I have not ever allowed one of these prematurely
capped cells to mature so I do not have any evidence in
that respect.
I would add that it does stand to reason that any
queen, even a poor one will serve in an emergency. All it
would take would be one good egg to produce a new
supersedure cell and queen.
``Test everything. Hold on to the good.'' (1
Thessalonians 5:21)
Tom Elliott; Chugiak, Alaska
David Eyre email@omitted.anti.spam
It seems to me that whenever I've left an emergency
queen it's not long before the bees replace her. But
unfortunately if the emergency queen was aggressive then
the supersedure queen does not improve, whereas grafted
queens from the original mother are almost a carbon
copy.
Allen Dick email@omitted.anti.spam
There's enough here to keep me hammering away at this,
and my reasoning does not prove that there is necessarily
anything wrong with the cells sealed after four
days...
Let's walk through the whole thing:
From Laidlaw's 'Contemporary Queen
Rearing'
| Day |
Stage |
Process |
| 1 |
Egg |
| 2 |
Egg |
| 3 |
Egg |
(Hatching) |
| 4 |
1st larval |
1st moult |
| 5 |
2nd larval |
2nd moult |
| 6 |
3rd larval |
3rd moult |
| 7 |
4th larval |
4th moult (sealing) |
| 8 |
etc... |
Now, let's look at the above and reason thus:
- We dequeen a hive and it takes a day to realise
that and start cells.
- When it does start, it uses 2 day old larvæ (the
oldest suitable)
- Two days later they are capped (see above)
- On day four the beekeeper comes and sees capped
cells.
That is as it should bee. Isn't it?
Okay. I'm getting pretty deep into this and it looks
more and more as if the bad press for emergency queens is
largely superstition and misunderstanding. (I'm sure that
this misunderstanding was not strongly opposed and
questioned by queen breeders).
I went to to A I Root's 1891 edition (2nd) of the ABC
and can see where the whole thing may have started. BTW,
he is a very lucid and delightful writer; the pedantic
prose that taints later editions is missing and he writes
from careful and keen observation.
Without quoting at length, he observes ``... bees,
especially when deprived of their queens unnaturally, and
broken up into small colonies, as beginners are very apt
to have them, in order to raise a queen, often select a
worker-larva so old that the queen raised from it is
about half worker and half queen.''
and
``So far as I have been able to make out, these
half-worker queens are the result of trying to raise a
queen when there are too few bees or when the larvæ with
which they are obliged to rear a queen are too old: that
is too nearly ready to seal up. Where they can do no
better, they will undertake to rear a queen from a larva
only one day before sealing up... ''
Manley has a poor opinion of emergency raised queens,
but does not seem to have tried them much.
The Hive and the Honeybee specifies that the bees will
choose a day-old larva. The assumption is that such an
egg is available.
Other texts seem indifferent on emergency queens and
do not seem to treat them specially.
In my own experience, emergency queens reared in the
spring and when the hives are well fed and populous
normally are laying prolifically by 21 days after the
dequeening that caused their production.
Moreover, there seems to be a pent-up recoil action
that propels them ahead, since the bees have had time to
lay in good stores of pollen and conserved their strength
during the no-brood interval and the hives rebound
strongly. If splits are made by breaking a two-storey
hive in two, the half with the new queen will usually go
on to out-pace the half with the old queen within six
weeks. The failure rate was quite low, being about ten
percent as I recall.
Why do I write this? Well I just saw an email offer
from the Argentinian source that seems bent on
underbidding everyone and driving the price [of honey] to
rock bottom, and it was at 62.5c Canadian (That's
42c US, folks [about 30p UK!]) If that is the current
price of honey, I've gotta cut costs NOW, and one place
to look is at that $ 20,000 Canadian worth of queens I
was planning on...
allen
email@omitted.anti.spam
I have seen some sorry queens produced from emergency
cells in midsummer here when the old queen is failing.
Usually in July, there is almost no flow, and I have seen
symptoms of starvation in some hives in a hot, dry year.
Of course I cannot separate the effect from the heavy
doses of insecticide on cotton bloom all through the
area, and this may be the reason, both for the queen
failure and for the failure of the young queens.
On the other hand, my first beekeeping mentor used to
raise all his own queens from emergency cells. He would
start splitting around March 25, whenever the first flow
started here in South Carolina, and finish up about a
month later. The biggest drawback was that we had to find
each queen (more than 1000). The old queens got two
frames of sealed brood, a frame of honey, and the field
force. Toward the end of the period, she would get three
frames. These were then taken north for apple pollination
about May 5 -10 and usually were very strong.
The rest of the brood went into 5 frame nucs. All were
made the same, with three frames of brood, making sure
there were some eggs, one frame of honey, and one frame
of comb or foundation. These were carried to another
yard. He did not do any selection, unless the old queen
was obviously failing. There were still a lot of the old
German black bees around here then, and he had some
seriously mean stock (a baptism of fire for a new
beekeeper).
But the queen was usually a well fed, well bred one. I
think the key was that he always did it on the spring
flow, when bees are predisposed to raise queens anyway
and drones were plentiful.
I still raise some this way, but I prefer to use
cells. I started off using grafted cells, and still do
some, but more often have plenty of swarm cells. If I
have has swarm cells, I do not look for the queen. I just
divvy up the brood frames so that each nuc gets a cell.
If there are several on a frame, I may cut one or two off
and push the top of the cell into a frame of brood. I've
had good results that way.
I don't automatically use cells from every colony. If
a colony is mean, has chalkbrood, or looks and smells
poor, I will use the brood, but make sure they have a
cell from better stock. I don't do any selection for
color. Just health, productivity, gentleness. I like to
pop the cover and see bees spill over the edge of the
box. Nice smelling, clean looking bees...! In the spring,
I like to see lots of fat healthy drones, also. A hive
that isn't raising drones is suspect...
Dave Green; SC USA
Allen Dick email@omitted.anti.spam
Thanks for the reply Dave. Now that you mention it, I
do recall that you have been talking up the use of swarm
cells. My son likes to use them too, and guess where he
learned that?
I wonder if you recall what percent of the queenless
splits managed to raise queens, and what was the typical
failure rate? I can't recall myself, and that would be of
considerable interest here right now. I remember it was
not ever very large if the splits were made on a spring
flow, but forget the numbers.
I gather your preference for using cells is that the
time without brood is reduced? In my experience it takes
about 11 days to get a laying pattern from a ripe cell
vs. 21 for a dequeened hive, and that 10 day difference
can be important when building for a flow or pollination
contract.
[I too have had good results pushing the top of a cut
cell into a frame of brood.]
I wonder if you worry about the age of a cell when
handling it? Of course, one cannot know that information
when finding them in a hive unless they are just being
sealed, or about to emerge -- or can one? Does it worry
you at all? I never gave it any consideration whatsoever,
but the texts do caution about handling cells at some
stages. Naturally, we don't bang them around much.
One of the reasons I decided to forsake buying queens
in any large number is that I had bad wintering losses in
a few yards and the location leads me to believe that it
might be from the queen stock we used for splits. Maybe
they are poor winterers or maybe they cannot handle the
tracheal mite. Whatever the reason, I think we paid for
this loss and there is no reason to repeat the error now
that the losers are culled. If we breed from good
survivors, we should see continuing improvement.
Each spring we find that only about 40% of the
overwintered hives are splittable, and I always wonder
about the rest. I always wonder if we have some hives
that just manage to make it through the year and winter
nicely, without making a contribution to our income.
Pollination contracts make this less of a worry, though,
since it is hive numbers we hare paid for and honey
production is of less importance.
allen
email@omitted.anti.spam
[My mentor] got very good results if the weather for
the mating flight was good. I think over 90% during good
weather. A week long cold or rainy spell would give a lot
of drone layers. Some would start okay, but be drone
layers in a month or two. Bad weather is unusual here by
the time of the first good flow.
As you point out, not all cells are ``ripe.''
Gentle is the word. We don't even tip them upside
down, unless they are obviously near hatch.
I believe it to be true [that if we breed from good
survivors, we should see continuing improvement]. You
will gradually adapt the bees to your conditions --- and
your management style... Also, I try not to buy from
queen breeders who treat for tracheal mite, but some will
lie about it. Most years I do introduce some new queens,
just to keep from getting stagnant (or perhaps I should
say inbreeding).
I ``rejected'' a colony for breeding today. They were
a two story colony, loaded with queen cells and looking
real nice. Brood pattern was very good, no chalkbrood,
lots of pollen and nectar in the brood cell corners. But
they were savage! They backed me off four times, and that
is really rare. I put on a long sleeve shirt, and
carefully tucked it in. I was wishing I had some sleevies
with me, because that's where they were heading. I also
had a hole in my veil, which normally I just don't pay
much attention to, but these guys were really good at
finding it and trying to get into my ears, up my nose,
etc. Do you suppose the killer bees have arrived? A
couple cells had already hatched and I was only able to
find and kill one virgin. I hope she had already done in
the other. I never did find the old queen, though I
suspect she was there. They probably would have hit the
trees today. I destroyed 17 or 18 cells. And I made sure
they were destroyed.I know I should have moved the entire
hive away from my mating yards, because they still had
drones.
I used to have a dozen or more of these snots each
spring. I have made it a point to get these requeened
whenever possible, and it has been probably three years
since I've had a hive back me off. I made four single
deep colonies from this one, and gave each a mated, caged
queen, plus a frame of brood with eggs, on it, because
there were no eggs or young brood. If the old queen was
still around, I hope the young one gets her.
Each spring we find that only about 40% of the
overwintered hives are splittable, and I always wonder
about the rest. I always wonder if we have some hives
that just manage to make it through the year and winter
nicely, without making a contribution to our income.
Pollination contracts make this less of a worry, though,
since it is hive numbers we hare paid for and honey
production is of less importance.
I have fewer dingalings than I had a few years ago,
but I still cannot seem to get a consistent hive. No
matter what we do, there are always some drone layers, an
occasional snotty one, and (too many) those that just
plain do not look good. You can make up 50 hives just as
identical as you possibly can, and 40 of those will do
fine. Two to four will become drone layers within the
year, one or two will get chalkbrood, and the rest will
just do poorly and look sick compared to the others.
These get requeened in the summer (usually with a nuc) or
culled in the fall. But they (dingalings) still show up
again the next year.
Dave Green; SC USA
Ronald J. Bogansky email@omitted.anti.spam
I have been reading, and in some cases rereading, all
the comments on emergency queens. I really don't have
anything new to add but some questions. I guess I am
missing something here but where is the connection
between a poor, weak, queen and genetic inferiority? For
the sake of argument we will say an emergency queen is
poor because of the way she was raised, however she still
manages to successfully mate and begin laying fertilized
eggs. How would the offspring from these eggs differ had
she been well nourished? In other words, if we took one
of those fertilized eggs and raised it under optimal
conditions wouldn't a good queen result? If the answer is
yes, then I would think that a poor emergency queen could
be superseded resulting in a good queen. If the answer is
no, then why not? Are we saying that poor nutrition
causes a genetic mutation? I can see that possibly by the
time the supersedure queen is being raised there may not
be enough young nurse bees left to do a proper job which
may result in another poor queen, but this is not because
of genetics. I would also think that a poorly raised
queen may never successfully mate thus rendering the
colony queenless.
One of the first recommendations for a new beekeeper
is to start two colonies. There are a number of reasons
for this but one was if something happened to one of your
queens you would have a source (eggs) to keep that colony
going and allow the bees to raise a new one. This may be
just folklore but I think it is done successfully enough
times to be true.
I guess I am having trouble accepting the fact that
all emergency queens are bad just because they are
emergency queens. I have split a number of strong
colonies over the years with good results. FWIW, I am
also seeing a lot of newly purchased queens being
superseded after they have been accepted and are laying
well. I really can't explain that one.
Ron Bogansky; Kutztown, PA
Allen Dick email@omitted.anti.spam
[I too have been reading] Over and over. Great topic
with many viewpoints. Makes one think.
The question we must ask is this:
``Do queens all lay eggs that are of equal weight
and quality, or do small weak queens lay smaller, weaker
eggs?''
If so, then we also need to ask this:
``Do superior queens that are on the verge of
starvation lay inferior eggs?''
And we must remember that in advance of swarming bees
tend to reduce the feed to the queen, so:
``Are swarm queens therefore inferior?''
and
``If there are inferior eggs, do they result in
inferior offspring even if the larvæ are well
fed?''
I can see how it can be reasonably hypothesized that
the offspring of poorly fed mothers can be nutritionally
deprived also, and that it is not necessary for the
genetics to be changed. It's the old phenotype/genotype
problem. You would think that such hypothetical
malnutrition effects would go away after a generation or
two... wouldn't you? The genetics shouldn't change.
If there is any truth to the assertations some have
made, apparently on the basis of observation, the
explanation I gave above is the only credible argument I
can imagine at this point.
My thesis is that you can get good and bad queens by
any method. James Bach's tale of woe in regards the
Midnites sure struck home here. I really hurt for him
when I read of his tribulations.
There were many sad beekeepers heavily out of pocket
this spring due to failure of many reputable suppliers to
make queens that the bees would accept and keep, and
which would perform well.
I personally did a bit of each method and had
- bad losses in the mated queens purchased,
- moderate and unpredictable failures in the grafted
cells we introduced and
- apparently good results from the emergency
queens.
All the queens -- regardless of source -- took a week
longer than usual to get going.
Go figure... As Pooh (an expert on bees) said, ``You
never can tell about bees''.
Bill Truesdell mister-email@omitted.anti.spam
I am coming to the conclusion that those who think
emergency queens are inferior go by the book and what the
book says. And if you look at the case that the books
deal with, then I tend to agree that emergency queens
will be of lesser quality than superseded queens. In the
book there is no outside interference or control. The
books deal simply with a failing queen that the bees
supersede or the sudden loss of a queen leading to an
emergency queen. In the supersedure case, the bees have
control and there will be eggs or young larva so the
created queen will be half decent. In the sudden loss of
a queen, depending on the time of year, the bees may not
have as many options.
But put the beekeeper into the equation as the
intentional maker of the emergency queen, and the
emergency queen should be much better than a supersedure.
For example, I wait for a strong honey flow in spring,
usually dandelion or clover. The hive is strong. The
queen is laying well with lots of eggs and young larva. I
put the emergency hive over the laying queen hive so they
are warm. And I make sure the emergency hive has loads of
bees.
I repeat my observation that my queens are excellent.
Once and a while I get a dud, but I had more problems
with store bought queens than my emergency queens.
Two years ago, I had one weak queen and figured its
hive would die over the winter. Came through fine and
finally gave the hive to a friend who lost all his hives
regularly over the winter. When I last checked, my hive
was still going strong, all from ``inferior'' emergency
queens.
I am a hobby beekeeper, not commercial, who relys on
emergency queens alone. I have not bought a queen in six
years and have only been keeping bees for eight
years.
Bill T; Bath, ME
Cleaning A Solar Wax Melter
Tom Barrett email@omitted.anti.spam
Hello All
I am trying to get into shape for the new season just
around the corner. To day I decided to clean up the Wax
Melter. There is quite a lot of ``gunge'' on the metal
surface of the drip tray and with the best will in the
world I cannot get it really clean. Can anybody tell me
of a solvent which will get rid of all of the dross?.
Thanks very much for any help.
Tom Barrett; Dublin, Ireland
John Burgess email@omitted.anti.spam
Try putting your wax in a polythene bag in the solar
melter. Make a row of pinholes along the lowest edge (I
use an uncapping fork) and the wax will be automatically
filtered as it melts, leaving all the dross behind.
If things get *very* hot, the plastic sometimes melts
a bit in contact with the metal tray, but it is still
easier to clean than without. I suppose that covering the
surface of the tray with a sheet of cooking aluminium
foil would also work, but without the filtering effect
the mesh at the exit would still get clogged.
I did think of trying turkey roasting bags to resist
the high temperatures, but they are expensive compared to
supermarket shopping bags. I you have enough sunshine
this year to melt anything, why not try these ideas and
let us know which works best
John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh
Beekeeper
mcmanus email@omitted.anti.spam
Hi Tom
I saw your post on the problem of wax removal and I
like Aaron would wait for a hot day, but then I was
there, so there might be time in waiting for the sun.
If after you have removed all that you can and if you
want it real clean. You might try to pick up, from the
local candle supplier, (your bee supplier may know) a
candle wax remover. The ingredient: D-IIMONENE which is
non-toxic and bio-degradable.
While your there, you might want to ask about Mold
Release, which is a silicone spray that is used for
releasing candles from their molds. You can use this
after to coat your metal to prevent sticking.
I you are unable to find these products in Ireland or
maybe England, then let me know and I will sent you an
E-Mail to put you in touch with a company here in
Seattle, Wa.
Joe McManus Bremerton, Wa. USA
Aaron Morris email@omitted.anti.spam
The ``grunge'' on the metal sheet cleans quite easily
and nicely when the sun has been shining on the solar
melter. Just wait for a warm sunny day (do you get those
in early April in Ireland?) and the surface will scrape
clean (or nearly so) with a spatula.
Aaron Morris - thinking a nice sunny warm day
would be nice!
Recipe
Frijoles; Mexican Beans
Beans are a staple in Mexican cooking. Wash 1lb of red
kidney, pinto or black beans and soak them overnight in
plenty of water. Add a couple of cloves of garlic,
skewered on a cocktail stick and boil the beans at a
rolling boil for three hours or until they feel very
soft, adding boiling water frequently as needed. Discard
the garlic, add 2tsp each of salt and honey and simmer
gently for a further ten minutes.
Meanwhile, saute a chopped half onion in a little oil
until golden, then add the onion and two whole green
chillies to the beans and simmer for a further 15
minutes. Discard the chillies. The mixture should be
quite thick. If not, mash some of the beans and simmer a
little longer. Cool and refrigerate until required. They
keep for around a week.
Frijoles Refritos; Refried Beans
Classic refried beans. In Mexico, beans are fried for
each meal and they improve the more often they're
fried.
Heat a little oil in a large pan and fry thick slices
of half an onion in it until dark brown to flavour the
oil. Discard the onions and add around a pint of the
Frijoles, mashing them in the pan as they fry. Keep the
beans moving, adding extra oil if they begin to stick.
The Frijoles Refritos can be served at any consistency
from thick porrage to a firm pancake or rissole as
desired.
Chiles Rellenos de Frijol; Bean-stuffed Peppers
100ml corn oil; 500g Frijoles Refritos; 6 medium
peppers, destalked and deseeded; 3 large onions; 3 green
chillies; 900ml vinegar; 30ml honey; 2x5ml oregano, 5ml
each of thyme and cumin; 2 bay leaves; salt and black
pepper to taste.
Heat the oil in a heavy pan and and saute the peppers
and onions until the onions are translucent. Slowly add
the vinegar, honey, chillies and all the herbs, then
simmer until the peppers are soft. Remove the onions and
peppers and simmer until the liquid is reduced by
half.
Meanwhile, allow the peppers to cool, removing and
blistered skin if you wish. Stuff the peppers with
refried beans, arrange them on a serving dish, place the
onions on top and cover the whole with the hot spiced
vinegar sauce. Allow to cool and then refrigerate for two
days before serving.
A wonderful main course for hot summer days and
barbequeues.
Sorry Again
... for another missing newsletter. I shall remain
extremely busy at least until Christmas 2000 and almost
certainly longer, but I'll try to get something out, even
if it's thinner than usual.
So a very belated Merry Christmas and Happy new
millennium to you all.
Gordon.
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